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SONY ウォークマン NW-ZX1 Part3
SONY WALKMAN NW-ZX1 Part3

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【SONY】ウォークマン NW-ZX1【DAP】
【SONY】Walkman NW-ZX1【DAP】

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【オーテク】audio-technica【ヘッドホン】Part85

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ξ低価格でナイスなヘッドホンアンプ 44台目ξ

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【オーテク】audio-technica【イヤホン】Part.22
【鐵三角】audio-technica【耳道】Part.22

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SONY ウォークマン NW-ZX1 Part4
SONY WALKMAN NW-ZX1 Part4

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【オーテク】audio-technica【ヘッドホン】Part84
【鐵三角】audio-technica【耳罩式耳機】Part84

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高価格でナイスなヘッドホンアンプ 67台目
高價格好聲音耳擴 67台目

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ξ低価格でナイスなヘッドホンアンプ 43台目ξ
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【SONY】ソニーのヘッドホンPart31【MDR】
【SONY】SONY的耳罩式耳機Part31【MDR】

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【SONY】NW-ZX1　Part2【ウォークマン】
【SONY】NW-ZX1　Part2【WALKMAN】

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【SONY】XBAシリーズ総合 Part22【イヤホン】
【SONY】XBA系列総合 Part22【耳道】

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【FOSTEX】ヘッドホンアンプ総合 13【HPシリーズ】
【FOSTEX】耳機擴大機 13【HP系列】

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【SONY】XBAシリーズ総合 Part23【イヤホン】

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SONY WALKMAN ウォークマン NW-F880 Part.1
SONY WALKMAN NW-F880 Part.1

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SONY ウォークマン NW-F880 Part2
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【オーテク】audio-technica【ヘッドホン】Part84(【鐵三角】audio-technica【耳罩式耳機】Part84)

2: NAME:名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/21(日) 19:33:25.60 ID:YskKSgCY0 翻譯

※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※要注意人物※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※

【スカトロテクニカ(略称：スカテク)】
愛知県在住のアンチaudio-technica＆アンチ千葉工作員推定40代独身無職
陰湿周到な性格であり価格.comに於ける複アカ取得によるオーテク製品低評価レビュー連続投稿
２ｃｈに於いては8年以上に渡りAV板及び賃貸不動産板に粘着しアンチコピペを繰り返す
生業は中古アダルトDVD転売(名前は多数のスカトロ系DVD販売履歴に由来する)

■価格comアカウント(一部）
http://kakaku.com/auth/profile/profile.aspx?NickName=%83f%83W%83%5e%83%8b%83G%83%93%83%5e%83e%83C%83%93%83%81%83%93%83g
http://kakaku.com/auth/profile/profile.aspx?NickName=%83J%83J%83N%83R%83%80%83R%83%80%83J%83J%83N%83R%83%80
http://kakaku.com/auth/profile/profile.aspx?NickName=glitter_mediay
http://kakaku.com/auth/profile/profile.aspx?NickName=high1320cross
※上記はほんの一部。14アカウント以上を不正取得し、オーテク製品低評価レビュー50近くを連投していた
※2013年4月20日全てのレビューが運営によって削除される。

■Yahooオークションアカウント（一部）
http://rating4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/show/rating?userID=high1320cross
http://rating8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/show/rating?userID=glitter_mediay
http://rating3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/show/rating?userID=syatihokodagaya
※価格comで同名を使い回していた為に判明
※発送地域より居住県がバレる
※AuctionExpertを使った中古DVD転売情報商材http://jiyulife.com/huku.htmlを実践している模様

■特徴
・アンチコピペの連続投稿
・無駄な改行、多数の「ｗ」「↑」「＞」等の記号、「事実」「寿司」「三流」「信者」「社員」等の語句を文中頻繁使用

※※※※※※※※※※このような特徴を持つレスを見かけても無視しましょう※※※※※※※※※※※
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3: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/21(日) 21:34:21.83 ID:D1OMPC6l0 翻譯

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4: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/21(日) 22:34:01.37 ID:sisUrEL6P 翻譯

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5: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/23(火) 18:57:47.10 ID:bsaiZ4l4P 翻譯

なあなあ、クソ禿に絡まれたんだけど
○流とグラ○とス○ス○はあぼーんにしといた
あと何をあぼーんすればいい？
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6: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/23(火) 19:18:03.54 ID:Bq4s9gpk0 翻譯

>>5
Janeを使っているなら下記のようにNGEXを登録すればよその板やスレで困らない
登録単語はそれらしいのをどんどん登録して一般レスにまで影響があったら外せばいい

□対象URI/タイトル、タイプ：含む
キーワード：AV機器板だけ対象にするなら「/av/」、このスレだけ「オーテク」
□NG Word、タイプ：正規（含む）
キーワード：(?:単語|単語2|単語3)のように|で区切って単語を増やせる
□左下のプルダウンは最初「重要キーワード」でNGの効果を確認してからあぼんに
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7: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[] DATE:2013/07/24(水) 14:54:14.27 ID:90Gm5aEw0 翻譯

なあ、>>1の注意事項をこう書き変えてもらえないか？
「何もしない」のでなく「徹底的に叩き潰す」という意思を
はっきりと示す方がずっといいよ。スレとスレ住人の為にも。

◆注意事項(現在)
粘着アンチが常駐しています。くれぐれも相手にしないようにしましょう。

◆注意事項(新案)
粘着アンチが常駐しています。削除整理板にてこまめに削除依頼を行いしましょう。
依頼をする際は、依頼しようとしている書き込みに対して既に依頼が出ていないか、
また削除理由が適切か、依頼前に一度削除依頼スレを確認してください。
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8: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/24(水) 20:27:16.26 ID:Tv6Kkqkv0 翻譯

※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※要注意人物※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※

【グラフの人（略称：グラフ先生）】
的外れな意見でaudio-technica機種を持ち上げ、買わせようとする工作員。
その工作手法は極めて陰湿周到でありグラフを用いて一見説得力があるように見せかけているが、その実視聴も所有もしておらず、本人曰くグラフは万能で音は聴くものではなく見るものらしい。
２ちゃんねるに於いては2013年6月頃よりこのスレ及び各メーカースレに粘着。ステルスマーケティングを繰り返す。

※グラフ先生の迷言一部抜粋

＞776 名前:名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby [sage] :2013/06/05(水) 23:22:37.09 ID:9KgOvhyZ0
＞>>776
＞>>774
＞こんなこと言うと悪いけどさ
＞君みたいに「測定結果と音質が関係ない」とか「測定結果見ても何も分からない」なんていうのは無知だからだよ
＞無知だから測定結果の見方が分かってないだけじゃん
＞人のことを馬鹿っていう前に自分はどうなんだよ
＞俺は百本以上ヘッドホン購入して、音とグラフに一貫した法則を導きだしてるから
＞グラフ見るだけで音が分かるんだよ
＞言っとくけどグラフに表れない音の特性なんてないよ

■特徴
・グラフの引用
・挑発的な物言いと謎の上から目線
・「～だよ」のような口調を多用、たまにファビョって暴言を吐くこともあるご様子

※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※以下このような特徴を持つレスを見かけてもスルーしましょう※※※※※※※※※※※※※※※
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9: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 12:36:27.28 ID:IKfP7/CE0 翻譯

昔、三大FM誌が全盛だった頃、オーディオファンだったおっさんですが、
（と言っても当時で言う中級機でコンポを組んでいた程度）
超久し振りにヘッドホンを買おうかと思い、量販店に試聴に行きました。
お目当ては勿論、昔も使っていたオーテクの製品。
開放型でAD500XからAD700X、AD900Xと各々音の味付けは異なるものの、
概ね良い感じでグレードアップしていたのは判りました。

（すみません、続きます）※長文規制にかかりました
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10: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 12:40:19.70 ID:IKfP7/CE0 翻譯

で、AD900XからAD1000Xに聴き替えた時点で、音の性格(?)が激変したのには驚きました。
下位グレードから聴き較べていた時に感じた様なステップアップ感ではなく、
AD900XとAD1000Xではまるで別物。
音場の広がりが圧倒的に気持ち良く感じました。

で、買うならコレかな？とも思ったのですが、上には上(AD2000X)があるそうで…。
残念ながらその量販店ではAD2000Xは置いていなかったので、
スレに皆様にAD1000Xと比較してのインプレを聴かせて頂けると幸いです。
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11: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 13:10:13.73 ID:dE9vfc6W0 翻譯

比較レビューはこの辺
http://www.phileweb.com/review/article/201212/06/681.html
http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20121016_566105.html

基本的には同じ傾向で意外に差が少ない
だから1000が2.6万だった頃はお買い得度が高かったけど、今は3.5万なんで2000買ったほうがすっきりするかと
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12: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 14:04:38.80 ID:CRDzwRPi0 翻譯

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13: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 14:18:20.23 ID:CRDzwRPi0 翻譯

USBケーブルと光デジタルケーブル
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USBも光デジタルも奇をてらった変なのしかないから期待
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14: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 15:21:41.83 ID:66ic3xDk0 翻譯

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15: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 16:31:08.57 ID:UqtqEyyG0 翻譯

>>10
納得したつもりでAD1000X買ってもそのうち高確率でAD2000Xが気になり始める
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16: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 17:43:55.51 ID:4uFroE7G0 翻譯

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17: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 17:50:29.82 ID:l3ub9PNOP 翻譯

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20: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 18:10:32.26 ID:IKfP7/CE0 翻譯

>>11
＞基本的には同じ傾向で意外に差が少ない
こういうの、ホントに参考になります
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>>15
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21: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 19:44:42.38 ID:dE9vfc6W0 翻譯

>>16
別に欲しくないｗ
もちろん解像度もあって聞くと確かに良いけど、ちょっと固くて薄味そして重い
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22: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 19:50:07.52 ID:dE9vfc6W0 翻譯

>>17
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ロックは全然悪くない、オーケストラはまあ普通
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23: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/25(木) 19:53:32.77 ID:NEsAtGqR0 翻譯

機種によってなり方も違うのに得意も不得意もないが。
強いて言えば音場はどのオーテク機もヘッドホンの中で悪いほうなので
オケ向きではないともいえる
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26: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/26(金) 17:35:03.62 ID:1KYRRHtP0 翻譯

それは単なる言い訳
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27: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/26(金) 17:57:12.00 ID:+7+ezzMH0 翻譯

>>25
ウチの環境だとコンポーネント各種だけでも新品売価ベースだと100万以上になっちゃうけど
それで聞いても他機種に対して線の細さは変わらない
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28: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/26(金) 19:20:48.90 ID:3DQQX6Hi0 翻譯

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30: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[] DATE:2013/07/26(金) 20:20:48.88 ID:BpXurj+h0 翻譯

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34: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/26(金) 22:55:15.96 ID:+7+ezzMH0 翻譯

明るくはなるけど低域の押し出しを伴う迫力ではなかったな＞HA5000
これはオーテクの中の人の好みなのか知らないけどどうにも低音があまり出ない
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35: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[] DATE:2013/07/27(土) 02:50:45.57 ID:lCTt2P3C0 翻譯

AD2000XとAD1000Xを今日聞き比べたら
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38: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/27(土) 17:28:08.83 ID:EhtyM+bsP 翻譯

HA5000って音場よりも音の密度で勝負するタイプだっけか。
禅などの音場の広いヘッドホンには合わないとか言われた。
だとしたら禅以外の他社でどこが合うんだろ？
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HA5000比起音場來說更以聲音的密度來決勝負
有人說與深海等大音場的耳機不合
如果是這樣的話除了深海以外HA5000到底適合其他哪家耳機?
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40: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/27(土) 17:47:04.69 ID:SoB13d/70 翻譯

HA5000は明るく力強いが、反面繊細さや解像度が足りない
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41: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/27(土) 19:59:10.37 ID:3UFxYa8i0 翻譯

ラックスは繊細でもないし解像度重視の音傾向でもないぞ
P-700uに限ってはそういう傾向だけど
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42: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/27(土) 21:48:08.42 ID:JFfGW/rS0 翻譯

HD800とHA5000の組み合わせは好きだよ
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43: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/28(日) 08:30:44.85 ID:rUpCgMaG0 翻譯

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55: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/29(月) 13:33:16.82 ID:bgBDA6U80 翻譯

>>54
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64: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/29(月) 19:00:02.53 ID:SEdyeRCE0 翻譯

元々前身機種のころからソニーのアレは値段よりかなり音質は悪いといわれてるし
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65: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/29(月) 19:17:32.53 ID:Y2oAWGoo0 翻譯

>>64
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66: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/07/30(火) 00:24:07.23 ID:cYK8oF9pO 翻譯

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108: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/03(土) 03:40:48.09 ID:R/hlLhmq0 翻譯

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113: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/03(土) 12:13:44.23 ID:sQE2Jkyd0 翻譯

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116: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/03(土) 14:57:35.59 ID:m8qgkRF50 翻譯

俺もA700使いだけど別に不満はないな。
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121: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/03(土) 23:22:58.50 ID:VsFfYyN80 翻譯

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128: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/04(日) 03:00:13.07 ID:FTUn2uCx0 翻譯

メーカースレで擁護も糞もないだろうに
気に入って納得しているからそこの製品使ってるんだし
同メーカーでも音が気に入らなければ使わないものもあるし（俺の場合W5000は合わない

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163: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/09(金) 18:18:51.83 ID:Hfv9BOvnP 翻譯

>>145
逆に俺がHD800欲しいわ。あれ聴いたらAD2000Xに
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166: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/10(土) 10:58:30.00 ID:md+pOBrr0 翻譯

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171: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/10(土) 13:18:00.52 ID:1jYVJMnG0 翻譯

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176: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/10(土) 19:53:08.24 ID:12VH3muI0 翻譯

もう良いよ
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HD800なんてHD650にも負けてるゴミなんだから
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216: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/15(木) 23:25:14.08 ID:Vz+UVNQk0 翻譯

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225: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/16(金) 01:44:16.11 ID:5QSy8J640 翻譯

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251: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/17(土) 05:42:31.20 ID:m3THJwLs0 翻譯

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302: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/20(火) 01:45:16.09 ID:y2xzNFjI0 翻譯

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306: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/20(火) 11:13:19.18 ID:aQx7Sg9d0 翻譯

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313: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/20(火) 22:38:26.48 ID:mY+HszC70 翻譯

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316: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/20(火) 22:51:41.06 ID:DZM8a/ee0 翻譯

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318: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/21(水) 01:00:45.80 ID:mmOpfPcQ0 翻譯

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319: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/21(水) 06:33:24.60 ID:URNg8vyN0 翻譯

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332: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/22(木) 08:59:23.99 ID:uxbemh3d0 翻譯

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361: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/25(日) 01:02:47.17 ID:xQrMwVys0 翻譯

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379: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/26(月) 19:45:28.29 ID:OMotcHrh0 翻譯

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380: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/26(月) 19:51:31.14 ID:6lj2Lso90 翻譯

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383: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/26(月) 21:54:21.76 ID:U2YkrYU70 翻譯

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414: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/28(水) 14:20:53.59 ID:jrW2iMvs0 翻譯

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438: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/31(土) 12:15:05.29 ID:Vf2i57bU0 翻譯

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439: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/31(土) 14:17:57.17 ID:aSqIvUKy0 翻譯

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447: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[] DATE:2013/08/31(土) 21:26:18.01 ID:CA2oazG/0 翻譯

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453: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/08/31(土) 22:23:09.86 ID:6mlf0fVQ0 翻譯

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476: NAME:あぼーん名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/01(日) 17:36:33.54 ID:wMvpuIny0 翻譯

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484: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/01(日) 23:42:31.02 ID:IRHl4X0A0 翻譯

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492: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/02(月) 22:43:05.89 ID:cP2AWkVC0 翻譯

5050はアンプの話だけどさ、そっちはたぶん出るだろうよ
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496: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/03(火) 02:19:31.74 ID:W8w0xVnM0 翻譯

＞＞480
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500: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/03(火) 12:36:24.88 ID:JhFj/Llv0 翻譯

何で急に在庫整理モードになっているんだか
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505: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/03(火) 15:32:53.61 ID:irgu5gJ70 翻譯

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509: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/03(火) 18:20:37.98 ID:1cxc9MAb0 翻譯

26Dの高級品ぐらいに思ってたら度肝抜かされるぞ
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517: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/04(水) 05:47:06.59 ID:+9qvf+aB0 翻譯

スペック的にW5000を超える後継機は難しいかもなぁ
あるとすれば>>498の言うようにバランス仕様とか、ハウジング素材やウィングサポートを変えたりしたマイナーチェンジ版とか・・
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以規格來說要超越W5000可能很難
就算是有就像>>498說的一樣是平衡規格, 外殼素材和三角翼改變等的小改版
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551: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/05(木) 22:04:32.15 ID:HuBXnUQi0 翻譯

>>542
それでこき下ろしてる奴はsktkしかいない。
で、sktkはただ単にケチ付けたいだけだから平気で暴言吐けるんだよ。
PET樹脂じゃいけない理由なんて、多分sktkですら無いと思う。
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553: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/05(木) 22:16:43.48 ID:J6jcIfWN0 翻譯

>>551
自分が煽りに乗ってしまったようだ
初心者だけど気をつけるよ、ありがとう

>>552
レスありがとう
微小な加工がしやすい面があることは良く分かった
所有しているＨＰは米屋だけど、オーテクも気になっているところ
とても参考になりました
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558: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/06(金) 14:09:27.38 ID:LkhwX18n0 翻譯

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579: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/08(日) 12:39:45.58 ID:c/q7UZ6j0 翻譯

>>575
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607: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/10(火) 12:31:47.23 ID:FBWROGEt0 翻譯

>>604
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628: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/14(土) 02:35:30.21 ID:KY1jYaHi0 翻譯

AD1000でズシンと本格的な低音なんてありえないからｗ
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632: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/14(土) 09:37:42.62 ID:8hlU0lJF0 翻譯

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684: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/19(木) 17:19:02.29 ID:6mEWjc660 翻譯

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690: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/19(木) 20:38:32.49 ID:QkW0uULa0 翻譯

>>684
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691: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/19(木) 21:49:16.44 ID:laaljlUj0 翻譯

>>671
悔しいのは分かったから、｢趣味に30万使えたら富裕層｣って考えるのは止めような、恥ずかしいから。

>>689
このスレ的に話題になりそうなニュースが無いから仕方が無い。
去年の今頃は、AD2000Xが出るか出ないかの話題があったけど、今年は何か出そうな雰囲気が無いし
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だからと言ってスレ違いな話題を振った俺も悪かったとは思うけれど、sktkさんいじりもこのスレの醍醐味だろうw
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694: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/20(金) 01:09:18.85 ID:xx9yHL4Q0 翻譯

W1000XやW3000ANVとW5000はちょっと違うタイプなんだよね？
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最好有前後可動的三角翼和能夠完全包覆耳朵的耳套(Ear Pad)
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705: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/20(金) 21:01:26.18 ID:z6FrWx+o0 翻譯

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714: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/20(金) 23:29:32.28 ID:ehf6Eh8B0 翻譯

>>712
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715: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/21(土) 00:02:18.08 ID:Q6VnTU9p0 翻譯

>>713
いい加減にスレチ
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724: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/22(日) 09:39:14.08 ID:GzJnDOH40 翻譯

やっぱりW3000ANVのイヤパッドが最高。
W5000のだと大きすぎてイマイチ。

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731: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/25(水) 11:41:52.94 ID:a8j3Zag90 翻譯

しょせんオーテクの品質なんてそんなもん
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734: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/25(水) 18:58:18.23 ID:83J3sNsH0 翻譯

>>730
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765: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/09/28(土) 17:03:26.69 ID:s7emGgO80 翻譯

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914: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/10/07(月) 01:36:55.69 ID:VmDkdDff0 翻譯

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961: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/10/10(木) 14:24:11.82 ID:KPl1illc0 翻譯

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963: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/10/10(木) 17:53:16.41 ID:sLS1QdrDP 翻譯

900XLTDが実質今回の上級機種かぁ。
いい加減W8000とか出さないのかねえ。
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975: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/10/10(木) 21:28:43.16 ID:zHgAWKgP0 翻譯

これで今年の大物新製品はおしまい？
Wシリーズの新製品は無し？
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980: NAME: 名無しさん┃】【┃Dolby[sage] DATE:2013/10/11(金) 02:46:37.69 ID:NcQfgMfx0 翻譯

USBヘッドフォンはポタアン＋A900Xって感じか
充電もいらないし、ユニットの特性に合わせてアンプが設計出来るし、配線は最短距離だしなかなかいいかも
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